tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post4316269078416256191..comments2024-02-29T16:43:55.241-05:00Comments on Lurking Rhythmically: A Brief Word on ManningErin Palettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09984632637166408245noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-29218250701142336422013-09-06T14:24:11.079-04:002013-09-06T14:24:11.079-04:00Ah, I see. I was parsing your statement incorrectl...Ah, I see. I was parsing your statement incorrectly. An Oxford Comma after "Manning" would have helped a great deal. <br /><br /><br />My thoughts on the statement above are this: You realize the the government and/or the military making these statements, yes? The people who routinely lie as part of their jobs? Of COURSE they're not going to admit that the leaked cables hurt anyone, because that would encourage people to go through them to look for information to use against the USA. Far easier & more effective to deny that they were of harm in the hopes that those inclined to snoop would forget about them.Erin Palettehttp://lurkingrhythmically.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-55110888236155054912013-09-06T09:11:04.578-04:002013-09-06T09:11:04.578-04:00Oh, I only thought there might have been something...Oh, I only thought there might have been something I've missed on this issue, like a report of some kind detailing the people who ended up dead because of Manning's leaks.<br /><br />To the contrary, I've been reading about the court testimony of a key official saying the opposite: http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/07/31/59869.htmVladimir Oseninnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-42683543274071743522013-09-05T10:17:47.566-04:002013-09-05T10:17:47.566-04:00I wonder about how many people died because of Man...<i>I wonder about how many people died because of Manning</i><br /><br /><br />Me too. I have a friend in the intelligence community who was part of the task force that, for six months, analyzed all the documents Manning leaked. According to my friend, there were names of sources and assets listed with the phrase "(Please protect)" after them. They've all been put in danger, as well as their families. <br /><br /><br /><i>and your sources for making such a statement.</i><br /><br /><br />This confuses me. I have sources? People died because I made a statement? I'd appreciate it if you'd please clarify this.Erin Palettehttp://lurkingrhythmically.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-34470945329449131782013-09-05T04:01:48.373-04:002013-09-05T04:01:48.373-04:00I wonder about how many people died because of Man...I wonder about how many people died because of Manning and your sources for making such a statement.Vladimir Oseninnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-37502455336080536312013-08-28T21:56:51.552-04:002013-08-28T21:56:51.552-04:00Given his discipline history IN TRAINING, he shoul...Given his discipline history IN TRAINING, he should have had his clearance pulled and been transferred to a non-cleared MOS before he ever got to his first unit.<br /><br />Sadly, I suspect this didn't happen because of a misplaced concern that DADT (in effect at the time, recall) would preclude doing anything about his histrionic personality disorder (as well as a misconception that his HPD was "part" of his sexuality.)Geodkytnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-45912902040608773732013-08-26T15:37:22.983-04:002013-08-26T15:37:22.983-04:00The whole thing reeks of "attention-seeking A...<i>The whole thing reeks of "attention-seeking Anon who got nabbed"</i><br /><br />That's what I and a lot of others think, but it's good to hear you say that too.Erin Palettehttp://lurkingrhythmically.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-17438436969457616632013-08-26T15:23:10.572-04:002013-08-26T15:23:10.572-04:00No problem. The point here is there's been ple...No problem. The point here is there's been plenty of trans people in the military, we go in, work hard, keep our heads down and wait until we're using our GI Bill to remedy personal issues that would conflict with work, I'm not an anomaly, the military is appealing to the trans community, it gets you away from a home life that might well be a disaster, and sets you up to transition in college rather well. But noone with an ounce of sense does what Manning did, on several accounts. The whole thing reeks of "attention-seeking Anon who got nabbed". Taxes don't pay for my treatment, and damn sure shouldn't pay for Manning's.Jennifer Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-62252855403119427052013-08-26T14:59:54.894-04:002013-08-26T14:59:54.894-04:00Thank you so much for answering my questions! We a...Thank you so much for answering my questions! We are all now better informed because of you. :)Erin Palettehttp://lurkingrhythmically.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-10425022838839446692013-08-26T14:52:57.712-04:002013-08-26T14:52:57.712-04:00* I wasn't interviewed, but some of my friends...* I wasn't interviewed, but some of my friends were, and at the time I was completely pre-transition, the army has pretty concrete views on transgender people, in that we're the last group not allowed to serve in any capacity, I waited until I honorably fufilled my contract before I pursued anything.<br /><br />* As far as my friends told me, the interviewer was mostly concerned about debt problems and drug use, nothing else really came up.<br /><br />* As far as I know I still have my clearance, but its entirely possible changing my name invalidatesitJennifer Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-38689184012261988822013-08-26T14:11:06.208-04:002013-08-26T14:11:06.208-04:00You said you are a transwoman who has/had a securi...You said you are a transwoman who has/had a security clearance. My questions, and I hope you won't think me rude for asking them, are:<br /><br />* Were you pre- or post-op when you were interviewed for your clearance?<br /><br />* To what degree did the investigators delve into your psychology?<br /><br />* To the best of your knowledge, if a transgender with a security clearance decided to start transitioning, would that be cause for revoking said clearance?<br /><br />Thank you in advance.Erin Palettehttp://lurkingrhythmically.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-24179585225213540032013-08-26T13:56:03.672-04:002013-08-26T13:56:03.672-04:00Um, sure, what's up?Um, sure, what's up?Jennifer Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-86622698873677097232013-08-26T06:54:27.587-04:002013-08-26T06:54:27.587-04:00Here's the point I'm making: someone reall...Here's the point I'm making: someone really, really goofed in letting this guy have access to sensitive material. To make matters worse, he was accessing it through a system that could generate external output (burning CD-ROMs). So they're going to seize on the TG aspect to avoid having to admit that their internal security was flawed.Toastridernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-54373365666942869862013-08-25T22:25:08.753-04:002013-08-25T22:25:08.753-04:00Oh wow! Jennifer, may I ask you some questions? ...Oh wow! Jennifer, may I ask you some questions? Because you are exactly the demographic in question and I'd love to get your opinion on things.Erin Palettehttp://lurkingrhythmically.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-43020415493955748772013-08-25T22:23:52.284-04:002013-08-25T22:23:52.284-04:00I don't expect anything from him. I'm just...I don't expect anything from him. I'm just irritated how everyone is jumping on the TG issue, as if it's relevant to his crime.Erin Palettehttp://lurkingrhythmically.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-20387750400248861632013-08-24T09:53:57.911-04:002013-08-24T09:53:57.911-04:00Well, he's apparently an untrustworthy and und...Well, he's apparently an untrustworthy and undependable individual in general. What did you expect?Toastridernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-18608617087754236472013-08-24T05:19:47.232-04:002013-08-24T05:19:47.232-04:00Agreed. To be fair, as a transwoman with a securit...Agreed. To be fair, as a transwoman with a security clearance, who routinely handled sensitive material, I can tell you there is no oversight there. I never brought it up during my service, as it wasn't relevant to my job (obviously) and its not like there's a litmus test. Saved my money and I'm doing everything on my on time and own dime.<br />Yeah it sucked, but I dealt with it, like everyone else in my unit dealt with all their personsal garbage deployments made worse, doesn't equate to a free pass. Doesn't factor into Manning deciding to go all Anon for funsies, at the expense of people I deployed with getting mission info on missions that still had to be run being posted on the net.Jennifer Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-22876241023342336532013-08-24T00:50:54.593-04:002013-08-24T00:50:54.593-04:00Traitors don't get marked graves.Traitors don't get marked graves.McThagnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-53781032564199977182013-08-23T23:27:40.076-04:002013-08-23T23:27:40.076-04:00It's been over 4, although he couldn't ver...It's been over 4, although he couldn't very well announce it to the world since at the time he wanted to keep his job.<br /><br /><br />Personally I think we should just hang traitors, although I'd be perfectly comfortable with his estate insisting that his headstone read Chelsea Manning.Andy Neidlingernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-79365783179722219152013-08-23T22:34:05.577-04:002013-08-23T22:34:05.577-04:00In my limited experience, about 3-5 years.In my limited experience, about 3-5 years.Erin Palettehttp://lurkingrhythmically.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-57217052341022515812013-08-23T22:32:13.478-04:002013-08-23T22:32:13.478-04:00There are reports of Manning telling multiple peop...There are reports of Manning telling multiple people at least as early as 2009 that he considered himself a woman. He didn't begin leaking classified information until early 2010. It seems unlikely that if his gender dysphoria was a ruse to gain sympathy that he'd have begun establishing it a year before he became a traitor.<br /><br />Which also kind of raises a question in my mind: How long and how publicly does one have to self-identify as something one doesn't outwardly appear to be before at least people who are generally sympathetic to LGBT issues accept the self-identification rather than the appearance?Andy Neidlingernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-77932185073851532472013-08-23T17:54:47.228-04:002013-08-23T17:54:47.228-04:00In which case, all he's done is make the TG co...In which case, all he's done is make the TG community look like they're untrustworthy, imbalanced, and undependable. <br /><br /><br />Fuck that fucker, HARD.Erin Palettehttp://lurkingrhythmically.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-1818831745783048662013-08-23T17:21:55.068-04:002013-08-23T17:21:55.068-04:00"For all I know, this could be a ploy by Mann..."For all I know, this could be a ploy by Manning to get out of a harsh sentence. "<br /><br /><br />This is sure as hell what it seems like. Security clearances don't grow on trees, and I can't see any kind of review for such missing such an issue (yeah, they might have missed it, but I've heard security clearance checks get into parking tickets).<br /><br /><br />Yeah, I think it's a pretty cynical ploy. The Army is not going to pick up his tab to shift his gender (I think they already stated as much), especially not for a guy who's spending the next 35 years in prison.Toastridernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-67972694286575890902013-08-23T11:04:43.200-04:002013-08-23T11:04:43.200-04:00Being unstable wouldn't make Manning transgend...Being unstable wouldn't make Manning transgender. The stress of being transgender in the military, could make Manning unstable (but not being transgender by itself). The stress of being any sort of outsider/other in a group hostile to your otherness would make anyone unstable.Rob Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-24976534741222291012013-08-23T00:21:29.632-04:002013-08-23T00:21:29.632-04:00"If you want a vision of Manning's future..."If you want a vision of Manning's future, imagine a white-gloved hand checking for hospital corners - forever."Erin Palettehttp://lurkingrhythmically.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649591714373684167.post-82795798221313886562013-08-23T00:06:16.146-04:002013-08-23T00:06:16.146-04:00LIttle to no chance of Manning facing prison rape....LIttle to no chance of Manning facing prison rape.<br /><br />The Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth are not quite the same as your typical prison. <br /><br />Nor is it the same as Leavenworth Penitentiary. (Common mistake. The Disciplinary Barracks at Leavenworth is not even co-located with the federal pen, nor is it run by the Bureau of Prisons. It's four miles away and run by the United States Army.)<br /><br />MUCH lower risk to prisoners from other prisoners, and BONUS! <br /><br />Manning gets to deal with the stuff EVERY SINGLE DAY that made him throw his little temper tantrum. Because it's the "Disciplinary Barracks", not "Muscle Club for Murderers". Leavenworth was one of the few places you could actually be required to spitshine your boots, back when the Army still wore boots (the prisoners, I mean -- technically, the GUARDS couldn't be ordered to spitshine their boots, even though they generally did.) Still under military discipline, complete to daily cell inspections for neatness IAW regulation layout.Geodkytnoreply@blogger.com