But then, some assholes in Egypt and in Libya decided that it would be fun to invade our embassies. Which, I would like to point out, are considered American soil. This means that yesterday -- on the date of the biggest terrorist act against our country -- two nations invaded us.
There are some who say it was an al Qaeda plot, and that I should be mad at them and not Egypt or Libya. I call bullshit, because whose job is it to prevent protests from turning into riots and then international incidents? That's right, the police of the host nation. Who, I hasten to point out, did fuck-all to stop their people.
What's worse, in Libya they actually managed to murder our ambassador, along with three other people, and then drag his body through the streets.
So you know what? Fuck it. I'm back in full aggro mode again, screaming at the TV screen. American citizens under diplomatic immunity have been murdered by foreign agents on American soil, and so far no one has done anything except use mild language to condemn the attacks in a very namby-pamby sort of way, when this is what we should have done in both instances:
That's right, waste the motherfuckers. Instead, we look like complete pansies because we can't even defend our patch of sovereign soil in a foreign country.
So here's what I say we do: We withdraw all diplomatic personnel from North Africa and the Middle East; we officially close those embassies permanently; and then we implode the buildings with demolition charges, leaving those countries with nothing but a pile of smoldering rubble. If they want to use the real estate, they'll have to haul it all away first.
It's the closest I can come to leaving a gigantic, stinking pile of shit on their front lawns.
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ReplyDeleteErin,
ReplyDeleteYou utterly summed up my feelings, especially the bit about leaving them a pile of smoldering coals, instead of an intact building (as we did in Iran).
Like diplomatic immunity, protection of the diplomatic staff is part of the deal.
ReplyDeleteIf your government can't handle that then a diplomatic presence isn't exactly something other nations should be interested in.
Spot on, Erin.
ReplyDeleteBut what about the good ones you ask? Kill them all, let God sort them out.
ReplyDeleteSpray the rubble with bacon grease and seed it with cracklin'.
ReplyDeleteDuring the last decade, the "war on terror" has killed more than ten million people worldwide.
ReplyDeleteAlso, speaking from the country that has been in war for the entirity of its existence in this side of the Second World War without ever declaring war, I don't really think you are in any position to demand righteous retribution. Under the Code of Hammurabi, your whole nation would be in ruins for all the nations and lives it has ruined and/or destroyed during the last sixty years.
Of course attacking an embassy and killing people are still both wrong, legally and ethically (respectively)
"During the last decade, the "war on terror" has killed more than ten million people worldwide."
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You should have seen what it looked like before I moderated it.
ReplyDeleteYou may end up deleting this post, and I would understand completely, but I'm compelled to write this. The intention is not to start a debate, but to introduce some facets to consider regarding this whole debacle, from one Gunbrony to another. If you do modify or delete this comment, I apologize for veering off course.
ReplyDeleteI'm just as angry as the rest of you, but I just wanted to mention a few things: Lets not just lump Libya in with Iran and the other death to America assholes. It's more complicated than that. 10 Libyans did die protecting the Embassy. And there seems to be some debate over whether or not the pictures are of terrorists dragging Chris's body in the streets or if he was being saved by Libyan citizens. Considering how there are reports of how his body made it to the hospital instead of being hung up and displayed on TV, I would be more inclined to think that they were helping him.
Unlike most Middle Eastern nations, there are plenty of Libyans outraged by the attack. This is different from Pakistan or Afghanistan, where we are sinking our tax dollars into ungrateful money pits, and our so called "allies" are always trying to bite the hand that feeds them. Libya is a relatively well educated nation. Education is a key aspect of fighting Religious fundamentalism, and this is true in Libya's case, where a good portion of the population are relatively moderate. This is most evident in their politics, where Islamist fundamentalists tried to have their way in politics, but Libyans voted for a moderate government. And like most extremists, this is how they respond- since they failed in politics, they resort to violence. Going through the twitter feed in the area, there are reports of Libyan citizens collecting money for repairing the US consulate. There are also reports and images of Pro-US rallies protesting the attacks (enclosed below, along with some translations of Arabic social media posts). To me, just having pro-US rallies in an area of the Middle East says a lot, considering any rally held with regards to America involve the words "death" and "to".
Libya has a lot to be grateful to the US, and many of the moderate educated people understand that. Chris Stevens was very well liked because of the personal risks he took during the early stages of the Libyan revolution, his solidarity with the Rebels and his work helping Libya through the democratic process. His death just cost years of work in their path towards modernization. And they know that.
Islamic extremists want people to believe that this is the work of a populist movement, and that it enjoys support throughout the nation. But from the outpouring of Libyan sympathy and outrage, I don't think that's the case. We cannot let a fringe movement with low support (as shown in their elections) co-opt the will of the majority. To equate this fringe movement to all of Libya would be to let the Islamists achieve their goal.
Libya has had some progress arresting some of these murderers. I say we beat them to the rest. Preferably with bullets and missiles. I'd just rather we use a scalpel instead of a hammer.
Thanks for listening.
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/09/12/arab-world-outrage-over-killing-of-us-ambassador-in-benghazi-attack/
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/09/12/libya-sorry-chris-benghazi-couldnt-protect-you/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/12/1131058/-My-Libyan-American-step-daughter-writes-a-letter-to-U-S-embassy-employees-in-Tripoli-and-Benghazi
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.279016282203019.51898.111954325575883&type=3
Nope, I'm completely cool with everything you say here. When I wrote this post it did indeed seem like the entire nation of Libya had turned against us, and I was so mad I could eat barbed wire. But later that day I found out about a pro-USA protest in Benghazi where they condemned the attacks and claimed Stevens was a friend to all Libyans.
ReplyDeleteNot only did that immediately make me feel better, I posted about it that same day. So yes, I'm glad to see that 90% (or more) of Libyans are on our side.
I'm still pissed about what happened in Egypt, however, and now I'm hearing there was an embassy attack in Tunis.
for some reason, the other post regarding Benghazi citizen didn't show up until I refreshed it just now, making a good chunk of my post regurgitated information :/ My apologies!
ReplyDeleteIt's all good. I don't object to being informed of things, or even being told I'm wrong. There are just times in my life where I don't want to have an argument, and it seems like politics can start an argument like nothing else.
ReplyDeleteI absolutely agree, politics is ugly and can derail any topic. The only reason I posted this was because I noticed a trend among some gun blog comments advocating disturbingly overwhelming retaliation for the deaths, including attacking Libyan leadership and civilians. Which is a knee jerk reaction, which I can understand from outrage and anger from the murders, and a perceived view of the killers as ungrateful hateful citizens. Except for the fact that Libya happens to be the only nation in the Arabic world (outside of Israel) in which both the citizens and the leaders (since the United States helped the NTC gain power over Gaddafi) actually like the US. A lot. I think Gallup polled Libyans with a 54% approval (with 30% disapproval) rating of US leadership (Politics, not US people or culture). That's higher than Canada at 53%. Additionally, another poll showed that 75% of Libyans approved of US intervention in Libya, which is far greater than approval ratings of interventions in Iraq or Afghanistan. I just wanted to spread the word that it really is a fringe group that committed the attack.
ReplyDeleteTunisia and Egypt on the other hand are most definitely populist movements, comprised of retards riled up by spite spewing douchebags. Those two I'm still pissed about. International relations are complicated :/
to clarify, when I said gun blogs, I meant blogs around the internets, not yours specifically.
ReplyDeleteModeration, yeah. I just don't like murder, and murder for profit even less. I do however understand your reasoning - no, actually I don't. I do not understand nationalism and patriotism, which I /think/ are the reasons for this, and I do not understand cold-blooded murder of millions.
ReplyDeleteIn any case, here's an article on the subject: http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-backed-terrorists-murder-us-ambassador-in-libya/